Curse

Melody Cross · Sep 29, 2007, 12:42 PM // 12:42

RA is a place to learn. it is a place to relax and farm a little batlh faction without the earpiece on, 7 people screaming in vent and the pressure of rated matches. Try. Thats all I ask. Thats all most other players I've met in RA ask too.

It is not a place to zone into, die, and watch three people fight at a disadvantage for your personal amusements.

bhavv, it sounds like you and your friends are griefers, whiners and flameboys. Designing a build that will be ineffective and running it just for your own personal kicks is not the spirit of RA. The spirit of RA is to play, try and WIN. Some people do care about winning even when they are testing builds. They want to have fun, but they would like to win. They don't want to be handicapped because you're bored. They don't want to be penalized because you are on their team...and not playing on their team.

If you want to run stupid builds and act like an artard to your team, go to TA with 3 stupid friends and run them to your hearts content. Don't try to feign the victim because you can't ruin 3 other people's experience for your warped sense of fun.

If your build sux, apologize for it and say you were testing. I wouldn't report that. But if i see you later running the same junk and failing hard, I will warn my team that you're a greifer...and I'll be the first to type in your name.

The system works.

GGs

Deadly Eyezz · Sep 29, 2007, 12:44 PM // 12:44

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Originally Posted by N E D M

Feature is to report leeching.
not bad builds
not bad play
not bad words
use it wrong and kiss it goodbye

How come it's not for bad words?
What about someone keeps flaming you and cursing you? You can't report that?
Type /Report and you'll see a menu.
Today someone called me the N world and i reported him.
screw you Anet if i am going to get a mark because of that..

DreamRunner · Sep 29, 2007, 12:46 PM // 12:46

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Originally Posted by bhavv

Im far better at this game then you are, and my english is a lot better then yours. You should learn to read.

Now that is funny!

Tell me, have you stopped using quivering blade on your warrior heroes? Oh, have you played a warrior yet? Necro maybe?

You failed at your crying in the heroes thread and you are already failing at this thread too.

Keep it up!

Divinus Stella · Sep 29, 2007, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Mind if i copy some of your builds?

I had a good one yesterday with NR/Tranq/Pred/QZ, which monks seemed to hate me for :/

Lonesamurai · Sep 29, 2007, 12:48 PM // 12:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by N E D M

Feature is to report leeching.
not bad builds
not bad play
not bad words
use it wrong and kiss it goodbye

Actually, wrong...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Update news

Report Command
Players can now use the /report command to report other players for inappropriate or anti-social behavior.

Targeting a player and typing /report or /report followed by a player's name will open a new report dialog panel. From this panel, you can report a chosen player for leeching, botting, spamming, using abusive language, or having an inappropriate character name. Reports will then be relayed and reviewed by the Guild Wars Support team.
You can report a player for leeching if you're in the same Random Arena, Alliance Battle, or Competitive Mission as that player. If at least half your team reports the same player for leeching, that player will be stripped of XP and faction rewards for the battle. See the "Dishonorable Combatant System" section below for more details. Note that you can only report members of your own party or team for leeching.
Reports of botting, spamming, abusive language, and inappropriate character names will be relayed to and reviewed by the Guild Wars Support team. Note that reporting a single player multiple times for the same offense will not expedite or influence support team attention.
A single account cannot use the /report command more than 50 times in a 24-hour period.

RhanoctJocosa · Sep 29, 2007, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by bhavv

I were playing 55hp monk in RA and got reported by my whole team for leeching....

I wasnt leeching, I was playing RANDOM arenas. I am allowed to play any build I like right?

It isnt against the rules to play a 55hp infuser with chillblains and signet of agony, its fun for me.

XD

QFT, you did nothing wrong.

This system is just plain stupid.

C2K · Sep 29, 2007, 12:58 PM // 12:58

I got reported for leeching because I did not use Res signet on a teammate that was dead on the otherside of the map...

I think the system is flawed.

N E D M · Sep 29, 2007, 01:01 PM // 13:01

lol reports of leeching are not on the list that will be reviewed
also edited my post to clarify

RhanoctJocosa · Sep 29, 2007, 01:09 PM // 13:09

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Originally Posted by zwei2stein

bhavv fails at trolling.
bhavv fails at playing GWs.
report feature working as intended.

stuff needing addressing:
* Newbies having suxors builds: Few people start pvping rightaway, by time they choose to PvP in RA, they should have idea what is really stupid and what is not. If they get harased a lot for their build ... they should take hint and improve. PvP premade builds are kinda decent and can be played with 0 time invested, so it not like newbies dont have jumpstart possibility. They definitelly do not need to use "cheap nuker" stuff.
* People reporting everyone just for sake of doing it. If you didnt notice, reporting someone gives you dishonor too unless 3 others agree with you. Being report-everything jerk hurts you more than your victims.

So it's ok to report a player, and subsequently get their account suspended/whatnot, just because you think they aren't good at GW? That's pretty stupid. At least before if you thought someone was bad, bad enough that you simply can't bear to play with them, you could leave. I know people who have been reported simply because their team got angry that they lost on their 9th win (said person being a monk), and people persuading other team members to report people who they dislike.

If ANet "intended" on this happening I hope their company dies.

Btw you're an idiot.

Antheus · Sep 29, 2007, 01:13 PM // 13:13

Why do people call 55 a griefing build?

I'd call it noob detector. Killing a 55 is really no big deal. I mean, 55s get killed by most mobs out there, and those aren't intellectual elite.

I was under the impression that this system would be used in connection with those who disconnect or something like that.

But simply /report?

Fine. Let me start griefing the other way. I'll join a group of mending frenzy/healsig wammos. Whenever we get killed, we'll report the others for griefing, since they are using a griefing build.

If it works like this, then welcome to noobworld. Where challenging pvp is considered griefing.

I'd be willing to argue about SF sins. Those are quite nasty. But 55?

And besides, isn't there now a timer on matches to prevent invinci builds? C'mon - if you can't kill a 55, let them run around. They won't do anything, they aren't contributing to the team. So you have free 4 on 3 match.

Just add a new command /ifailatpvp that makes you auto winner if you lose more than 50% health, or if another team doesn't die in 1 minute.

milan · Sep 29, 2007, 01:17 PM // 13:17

OP, you're a muppet.

There is a difference between a gimmick build and a build that allows you to kill yourself quickly to deprive your team of an active player.

From what you've said the sole reason you enter RA is to disrupt the gameplay of the team you are placed in as much as possible. For that you should be reported, banned and have several large men come around to your house and feed you your pc bit by bit.

C2K · Sep 29, 2007, 01:22 PM // 13:22

Well, I have to agree with the OP's point, even if his ethics of proving it are wrong. The /report command is similiar to handing a 5 yr-old a loaded gun.

I wonder what the inbox that receives all of these /report queries looks like since it was implemented.

CHunterX · Sep 29, 2007, 01:34 PM // 13:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhavv

I were playing 55hp monk in RA and got reported by my whole team for leeching....

You:

Please uninstall Guild Wars, griefer. The system is working as intended. When you enter RA, you enter on the basis that you will play to win, not to play griefing builds and be an asshole to everyone else who follows the rules. What you are doing isn't funny. You deserve any punishment coming to you, and worse.
The only "flaw" I'm seeing is that they let you back into RA without a 3-day ban.

Griff Mon · Sep 29, 2007, 01:44 PM // 13:44

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Originally Posted by bhavv

its fun for me.XD

This is not any kind of legitimate reason.

Scamming people is fun for some folks, leeching and quitting missions near the end is fun for other people. It causes others grief and annoyance and you get what you deserve for doing it.

Rocky Raccoon · Sep 29, 2007, 01:55 PM // 13:55

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Originally Posted by bhavv

They are misusing the report system, you can play any build you like.

Anet will check them and take action against false reports.

Like 5 people in an RA dist are insulting me now and tellind everyone to report me for playing 85hp

GG Anet, your Report system F***ing blows.

I played 85 HP. First time I sacced, second time I got killed by a warrior. I got reported by 6 people for leeching.

How the heck is that doing anything wrong?

I ALWAYS used to play gimmick builds in RA for a laugh, but this report system takes the piss.

While you might think it is funny to play a build for laughs, I see that as a form of grieving and you should be reported.

Sli Ander · Sep 29, 2007, 02:00 PM // 14:00

1) I think everyone here pretty much agrees that the OP was griefing. Though probably only evident because he's here bragging about it, as it can be rather difficult to tell in some of those grey areas.

2)Deliberately going into an area to see if you're going to be reported for griefing/leeching does not prove the system is being abused. It proves that somebody saw through your scheme.

3)A big grey area that will cause some trouble for the /report command is definitely going to be builds like the 55 in RA. It is assumed that if you are entering RA(even to test) that the build you are using is going to contribute in some way to the teams loss or success. The problem is whether or not 90% of the population has the ability to distinguish between somebody griefing or someone just inexperienced enough to use a solo build/team gimmick build in RA.

Of course, the way the point system is put together, it has a slight fail-safe. If all 3 other team members believe you to be griefing, you only get 6 points. As long as you don't leave early, you don't get a temp ban from PvP. If you're simply inexperienced (whether or not the team was nice about it), you just got a big indicator that something was wrong in the way you were playing. If you're a griefer, you got a slap on the wrist. If you do it again, you'll get a 10-12 minute ban from PvP (if I read the rules correctly).

In other words (whether inexperienced or deliberate) change your behavior and it probably won't happen again. (Besides if you were simply inexperienced, if you got slapped by the /report, it would suggest you didn't ask for advice, but rather were rude in your responses)

4) If you are testing a build, its probably going to be a team build. Solo builds are usually designed for a single area, with the rare exception of builds like the 55(with multi-area use). However ineffective, your build should attempt to contribute to the team. After all, your build is probably going to be used with henchies(whose weaknesses you're attempting to compensate for).

For those of you who say 'test somewhere else', RA is good for testing builds builds compatability with random allies and versatility versus a variety of foes(without having to spend time looking for those various foes in a lot of different maps)

Sorry for the long post,
But that's just my two cents

Pandora's box · Sep 29, 2007, 02:28 PM // 14:28

Telling upon somebody is a bad habbit. Anet should be wiser and not encourage such things. There will always be players who abuse it. It even may become a substitude for the old fashoined in game PKing: instead of killing somebody, just report him. A *VERY* bad idea!

Jecht Scye · Sep 29, 2007, 02:36 PM // 14:36

the OP deserved it for being so stupid.

Melody Cross · Sep 29, 2007, 02:42 PM // 14:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pandora's box

Telling upon somebody is a bad habbit. Anet should be wiser and not encourage such things. There will always be players who abuse it. It even may become a substitude for the old fashoined in game PKing: instead of killing somebody, just report him. A *VERY* bad idea!

This is a concern I have toward the system. Fortunately, there are protections already in place to prevent this. Players on the other side can't /report and expect immediate action from the new system if they don't like your build or you just beat them (it can't be used to retaliate against people who beat you) and in order for the dishonorable title to kick in, its like all three members of your team have to agree and /report you for griefing/leeching, etc.

The chances of getting three jerks on the same team--coordinating to make your gaming life miserable--are considerably lower than the chances of getting a bhaav

Time will tell

GGs

Antheus · Sep 29, 2007, 02:55 PM // 14:55

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However ineffective, your build should attempt to contribute to the team.

A sin that does nothing but trying to gank opposing team's monk protected by SoA is no more contributing to the team than a 55.

90% of the sins in RA are like that. Who's at fault here? Invinci-monk? The classical ZB/prot version, which just happens to be invincible to a sin? Or sin, that believes that by constantly "pressuring" the monk is contributing?

This is anti-runner change:

Quote:

To discourage players from deliberately trying to prolong Team Arena and Random Arena matches unnecessarily, the following changes are now in effect:

Not /report. The very second someone is allowed to report someone else for running a specific build, the worst of the players will come out and start dominating the arenas.

Are touchers griefers? It doesn't take much for them to wipe entire opposing team. They are invinci builds, that contribute nothing to the team. Just like anything else, they can be countered and shutdown as well. Just like 55. Just like SF sins. Just like any other build.

All builds in RA *must* be self-sufficient. Their contribution to the team is not required.

If reporting another player for running a certain build is allowed, then RA will go the way of HA, where gimmicks will rule, since everyone will be running exactly the same builds, and anyone attempting to counter it will be reported.

It will result in report wars. Just report away at anything and anyone.

It'll exclude anyone without griefing attitude, since /report will become way of expressing disagreement.

Quote:

the OP deserved it for being so stupid.

No, /report doesn't cover stupidity.

Supporting this view will result in a huge avalanche of whines as the blatant griefers get turned off RA, and then the petty arguments lead to auto/report. Oh, you're using skill X? OMFG nub /reported...